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imagen imperio
Hi everybody,

Recently i start to have a lot of work with a big variety of sizes, for evrything materials, but this is not the heavy work the mostly is be adding an image as background and bleed, this is necesary after the print proccess to give a good finished to art. At the end you have to cut this bleed to have the real size, for example:

A letter size art with the bleed could has 8.75 x 11.25 inches after the cut have to be exactly 8.5 x 11 inch.


Have you ever considered add this necesary option? i know that people can export to png and choose if you want to export the page or the total image, with the total image you can solve the problem because de background is bigger than the area but png is nos a good format for offset print process, so after export the png you have to do other steps for this art works in offset printers.


Thanks for your attention to this question.

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Re: Bleed options

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José,
When I prepare print artwork I just set the document units to inches, the document size to include the bleed margins, and the Scale to 300. I'll just mark my document boundaries with guides. When I'm done I'll then save as PDF. 

The end result will be a properly scaled 300 dpi PDF identical (other than being RGB not CMYK) to what would be generated in any other professional application. If the printer needs crop marks, you could draw those on the edges, there is nothing special to them.

I hope that maybe helps you with your workflow a little.

Ryan Gorley
Managing Partner | Dijt

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:31 AM, imagen imperio <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi everybody,

Recently i start to have a lot of work with a big variety of sizes, for evrything materials, but this is not the heavy work the mostly is be adding an image as background and bleed, this is necesary after the print proccess to give a good finished to art. At the end you have to cut this bleed to have the real size, for example:

A letter size art with the bleed could has 8.75 x 11.25 inches after the cut have to be exactly 8.5 x 11 inch.


Have you ever considered add this necesary option? i know that people can export to png and choose if you want to export the page or the total image, with the total image you can solve the problem because de background is bigger than the area but png is nos a good format for offset print process, so after export the png you have to do other steps for this art works in offset printers.


Thanks for your attention to this question.

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Re: Bleed options

C R
Hi. Even though it's possible to add bleed manually (I could recommend about 10 different ways to do that), it would be beneficial to have the option, since it's a bit of a pain if you forget, and some print companies like 3mm, some require 5mm, so having a margin value that could be changed at whim is definitely something that would make pre-press export (and resizing) easier.

So the questions:
What would the margin effect?
Would it only affect export to pdf?
Would it affect the canvas size?
Would it require markers to show where the margin is?

Input welcome.
-C


On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Ryan Gorley <[hidden email]> wrote:
José,
When I prepare print artwork I just set the document units to inches, the document size to include the bleed margins, and the Scale to 300. I'll just mark my document boundaries with guides. When I'm done I'll then save as PDF. 

The end result will be a properly scaled 300 dpi PDF identical (other than being RGB not CMYK) to what would be generated in any other professional application. If the printer needs crop marks, you could draw those on the edges, there is nothing special to them.

I hope that maybe helps you with your workflow a little.

Ryan Gorley
Managing Partner | Dijt

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:31 AM, imagen imperio <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi everybody,

Recently i start to have a lot of work with a big variety of sizes, for evrything materials, but this is not the heavy work the mostly is be adding an image as background and bleed, this is necesary after the print proccess to give a good finished to art. At the end you have to cut this bleed to have the real size, for example:

A letter size art with the bleed could has 8.75 x 11.25 inches after the cut have to be exactly 8.5 x 11 inch.


Have you ever considered add this necesary option? i know that people can export to png and choose if you want to export the page or the total image, with the total image you can solve the problem because de background is bigger than the area but png is nos a good format for offset print process, so after export the png you have to do other steps for this art works in offset printers.


Thanks for your attention to this question.

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I am thinking of adding this feature out of the way of the regular features in a "Pre-Press" tab.

This could include a shortcut to handy filter features that commonly get overlooked, like:
Extensions>Render>Layout>Printing Marks
and other similar features.

And otherwise be out of the way so as not to cause confusion for those keen on never doing anything with Inkscape but web graphics. :)

Thoughts?
-C

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:44 AM, C R <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi. Even though it's possible to add bleed manually (I could recommend about 10 different ways to do that), it would be beneficial to have the option, since it's a bit of a pain if you forget, and some print companies like 3mm, some require 5mm, so having a margin value that could be changed at whim is definitely something that would make pre-press export (and resizing) easier.

So the questions:
What would the margin effect?
Would it only affect export to pdf?
Would it affect the canvas size?
Would it require markers to show where the margin is?

Input welcome.
-C


On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Ryan Gorley <[hidden email]> wrote:
José,
When I prepare print artwork I just set the document units to inches, the document size to include the bleed margins, and the Scale to 300. I'll just mark my document boundaries with guides. When I'm done I'll then save as PDF. 

The end result will be a properly scaled 300 dpi PDF identical (other than being RGB not CMYK) to what would be generated in any other professional application. If the printer needs crop marks, you could draw those on the edges, there is nothing special to them.

I hope that maybe helps you with your workflow a little.

Ryan Gorley
Managing Partner | Dijt

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:31 AM, imagen imperio <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi everybody,

Recently i start to have a lot of work with a big variety of sizes, for evrything materials, but this is not the heavy work the mostly is be adding an image as background and bleed, this is necesary after the print proccess to give a good finished to art. At the end you have to cut this bleed to have the real size, for example:

A letter size art with the bleed could has 8.75 x 11.25 inches after the cut have to be exactly 8.5 x 11 inch.


Have you ever considered add this necesary option? i know that people can export to png and choose if you want to export the page or the total image, with the total image you can solve the problem because de background is bigger than the area but png is nos a good format for offset print process, so after export the png you have to do other steps for this art works in offset printers.


Thanks for your attention to this question.

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Re: Bleed options

Maren Hachmann
Just to be sure (probably stating the obvious, and not understanding the
discussion):
There is a 'bleed' setting in the dialog you get when you export to pdf,
where space (in addition to the page) can be added to all sides of the page.

That bleed is not visually marked automatically, and it's not part of
the document settings, but using one of the guides extensions, one can
at least make it visible.

Maren

Am 29.09.2017 um 09:48 schrieb C R:

> I am thinking of adding this feature out of the way of the regular
> features in a "Pre-Press" tab.
>
> This could include a shortcut to handy filter features that commonly get
> overlooked, like:
> Extensions>Render>Layout>Printing Marks
> and other similar features.
>
> And otherwise be out of the way so as not to cause confusion for those
> keen on never doing anything with Inkscape but web graphics. :)
>
> Thoughts?
> -C
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:44 AM, C R <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi. Even though it's possible to add bleed manually (I could
>     recommend about 10 different ways to do that), it would be
>     beneficial to have the option, since it's a bit of a pain if you
>     forget, and some print companies like 3mm, some require 5mm, so
>     having a margin value that could be changed at whim is definitely
>     something that would make pre-press export (and resizing) easier.
>
>     So the questions:
>     What would the margin effect?
>     Would it only affect export to pdf?
>     Would it affect the canvas size?
>     Would it require markers to show where the margin is?
>
>     Input welcome.
>     -C
>
>
>     On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Ryan Gorley <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>         José,
>         When I prepare print artwork I just set the document units to
>         inches, the document size to /include/ the bleed margins, and
>         the Scale to 300. I'll just mark my document boundaries with
>         guides. When I'm done I'll then save as PDF. 
>
>         The end result will be a properly scaled 300 dpi PDF identical
>         (other than being RGB not CMYK) to what would be generated in
>         any other professional application. If the printer needs crop
>         marks, you could draw those on the edges, there is nothing
>         special to them.
>
>         I hope that maybe helps you with your workflow a little.
>
>         *Ryan Gorley*
>         Managing Partner | Dijt <https://dijt.co>
>
>         On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:31 AM, imagen imperio
>         <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>             Hi everybody,
>
>             Recently i start to have a lot of work with a big variety of
>             sizes, for evrything materials, but this is not the heavy
>             work the mostly is be adding an image as background and
>             bleed, this is necesary after the print proccess to give a
>             good finished to art. At the end you have to cut this bleed
>             to have the real size, for example:
>
>             A letter size art with the bleed could has 8.75 x 11.25
>             inches after the cut have to be exactly 8.5 x 11 inch.
>
>
>             Have you ever considered add this necesary option? i know
>             that people can export to png and choose if you want to
>             export the page or the total image, with the total image you
>             can solve the problem because de background is bigger than
>             the area but png is nos a good format for offset print
>             process, so after export the png you have to do other steps
>             for this art works in offset printers.
>
>
>             Thanks for your attention to this question.
>
>             --
>             José Quintanilla Ramírez
>             Graphic Designer
>
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Yes, having it present as part of the document properties will make it more visible and having a set of named guides will ensure its there for reference during the design process when it's most useful.

-C

On 29 Sep 2017 22:06, "Maren Hachmann" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Just to be sure (probably stating the obvious, and not understanding the
discussion):
There is a 'bleed' setting in the dialog you get when you export to pdf,
where space (in addition to the page) can be added to all sides of the page.

That bleed is not visually marked automatically, and it's not part of
the document settings, but using one of the guides extensions, one can
at least make it visible.

Maren

Am 29.09.2017 um 09:48 schrieb C R:
> I am thinking of adding this feature out of the way of the regular
> features in a "Pre-Press" tab.
>
> This could include a shortcut to handy filter features that commonly get
> overlooked, like:
> Extensions>Render>Layout>Printing Marks
> and other similar features.
>
> And otherwise be out of the way so as not to cause confusion for those
> keen on never doing anything with Inkscape but web graphics. :)
>
> Thoughts?
> -C
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:44 AM, C R <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi. Even though it's possible to add bleed manually (I could
>     recommend about 10 different ways to do that), it would be
>     beneficial to have the option, since it's a bit of a pain if you
>     forget, and some print companies like 3mm, some require 5mm, so
>     having a margin value that could be changed at whim is definitely
>     something that would make pre-press export (and resizing) easier.
>
>     So the questions:
>     What would the margin effect?
>     Would it only affect export to pdf?
>     Would it affect the canvas size?
>     Would it require markers to show where the margin is?
>
>     Input welcome.
>     -C
>
>
>     On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Ryan Gorley <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>         José,
>         When I prepare print artwork I just set the document units to
>         inches, the document size to /include/ the bleed margins, and
>         the Scale to 300. I'll just mark my document boundaries with
>         guides. When I'm done I'll then save as PDF. 
>
>         The end result will be a properly scaled 300 dpi PDF identical
>         (other than being RGB not CMYK) to what would be generated in
>         any other professional application. If the printer needs crop
>         marks, you could draw those on the edges, there is nothing
>         special to them.
>
>         I hope that maybe helps you with your workflow a little.
>
>         *Ryan Gorley*
>         Managing Partner | Dijt <https://dijt.co>
>
>         On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:31 AM, imagen imperio
>         <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>             Hi everybody,
>
>             Recently i start to have a lot of work with a big variety of
>             sizes, for evrything materials, but this is not the heavy
>             work the mostly is be adding an image as background and
>             bleed, this is necesary after the print proccess to give a
>             good finished to art. At the end you have to cut this bleed
>             to have the real size, for example:
>
>             A letter size art with the bleed could has 8.75 x 11.25
>             inches after the cut have to be exactly 8.5 x 11 inch.
>
>
>             Have you ever considered add this necesary option? i know
>             that people can export to png and choose if you want to
>             export the page or the total image, with the total image you
>             can solve the problem because de background is bigger than
>             the area but png is nos a good format for offset print
>             process, so after export the png you have to do other steps
>             for this art works in offset printers.
>
>
>             Thanks for your attention to this question.
>
>             --
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