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Brynn
Hi Friends,
        I was just answering a forum question about creating a clockface, and I
used the Polar Coordinates dialog.  I found that if I draw a circle, then type
out the numbers, then choose Object's Rotational Center and First Circle (or
2nd), then select all, then click Arrange, all the numbers are placed at 3
o'clock.
        I found that if I move the circle before clicking arrange, it makes the
feature function properly.  Should I make a bug report?  Or is this already a
known issue?  I searched LP without finding any similar report.  But often I
might not know the proper terminology (and recently I found the wiki was being
used for bug reports (for gradient mesh)) so I just ask before I make a bug
report, just in case.
        I'm on Windows 7 Pro, 64-bit, Inkscape 0.92, 64-bit.
        Another issue, which is a little bit nit-picky, but still important,
imo.  For some time, I couldn't figure out what object was being referred to in
"Object's bounding box" and "Object's rotational center".  Is it the object I am
drawing (such as a clock face)?   It can't mean the circle, because further
below in the dialog, it says "circle" (and if it meant circle, it would have
said 'Circle's rotational center').
        But after a lot of clicking around and trial and error, it seems it
refers to the numbers on the clock face example.  If that's the case, it should
be "Objects' bounding box" and "Objects' rotational center".  If they had been
properly written, I would have understood at once that the objects in question
are the numbers (or whatever objects are being arranged around the circle).
        Should I make a bug report about that?

Thanks for your help  :-)
brynn



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Re: issues with Arrange > Polar Coordinates

Maren Hachmann
Hi Brynn,

Am 20.01.2017 um 12:11 schrieb brynn:
> Hi Friends,

>         I was just answering a forum question about creating a clockface, and I
> used the Polar Coordinates dialog.  I found that if I draw a circle, then type
> out the numbers, then choose Object's Rotational Center and First Circle (or
> 2nd), then select all, then click Arrange, all the numbers are placed at 3
> o'clock.

- This is how it works. Mathematically, the circle's start is at three
o'clock. It's not a bug (do you still have that email where I explained
it to you, translating the article linked below?).
German speakers, see here:
http://vektorrascheln.de/posts/2016/Jun/inkscape-entdecker-anordnen1.html

>         I found that if I move the circle before clicking arrange, it makes the
> feature function properly.  Should I make a bug report?  Or is this already a
> known issue?  I searched LP without finding any similar report.  But often I
> might not know the proper terminology (and recently I found the wiki was being
> used for bug reports (for gradient mesh)) so I just ask before I make a bug
> report, just in case.
>         I'm on Windows 7 Pro, 64-bit, Inkscape 0.92, 64-bit.
>         Another issue, which is a little bit nit-picky, but still important,
> imo.  For some time, I couldn't figure out what object was being referred to in
> "Object's bounding box" and "Object's rotational center".  Is it the object I am
> drawing (such as a clock face)?   It can't mean the circle, because further
> below in the dialog, it says "circle" (and if it meant circle, it would have
> said 'Circle's rotational center').

- The objects that you're aligning along the circle.

>         But after a lot of clicking around and trial and error, it seems it
> refers to the numbers on the clock face example.  If that's the case, it should
> be "Objects' bounding box" and "Objects' rotational center".  If they had been
> properly written, I would have understood at once that the objects in question
> are the numbers (or whatever objects are being arranged around the circle).
>         Should I make a bug report about that?

- That makes sense, yes. That dialog isn't documented very well...

Regards,
 Maren

> Thanks for your help  :-)
> brynn
>
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Re: issues with Arrange > Polar Coordinates

Martin Owens-2
On Fri, 2017-01-20 at 17:37 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote:
> - That makes sense, yes. That dialog isn't documented very well...

This is perhaps my fault. I grabbed the polar coords functionality and
put it into trunk so it wouldn't bit-rot further as the merge request
was getting old.

This means it's not well documented and could do with some help.

Apologetic Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: issues with Arrange > Polar Coordinates

Brynn
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> > all the numbers are placed at 3
  > o'clock.

> - This is how it works. Mathematically, the circle's start is at three
o'clock. It's not a bug (do you still have that email where I explained
it to you, translating the article linked below?).
German speakers, see here:
http://vektorrascheln.de/posts/2016/Jun/inkscape-entdecker-anordnen1.html

No, I mean ALL the numbers are placed all on top of each other, at the 3 o'clock
place.  I know that for making a clock, the circle needs to be rotated, so the
numbers will be in the proper places.  So taking the rotation into
consideration, I think they are all placed where 1 o'clock is supposed to be.
But still, they aren't supposed to be all on top of each other, are they?

As I said, if I drag the circle by any amount, before clicking Arrange, then the
numbers are placed around the circle, as expected.

Should I make bug reports for this, and the punctuation issue?

Thanks,
brynn


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From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 9:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] issues with Arrange > Polar Coordinates

Hi Brynn,

Am 20.01.2017 um 12:11 schrieb brynn:
> Hi Friends,

>         I was just answering a forum question about creating a clockface, and
> I
> used the Polar Coordinates dialog.  I found that if I draw a circle, then type
> out the numbers, then choose Object's Rotational Center and First Circle (or
> 2nd), then select all, then click Arrange, all the numbers are placed at 3
> o'clock.

- This is how it works. Mathematically, the circle's start is at three
o'clock. It's not a bug (do you still have that email where I explained
it to you, translating the article linked below?).
German speakers, see here:
http://vektorrascheln.de/posts/2016/Jun/inkscape-entdecker-anordnen1.html

>         I found that if I move the circle before clicking arrange, it makes
> the
> feature function properly.  Should I make a bug report?  Or is this already a
> known issue?  I searched LP without finding any similar report.  But often I
> might not know the proper terminology (and recently I found the wiki was being
> used for bug reports (for gradient mesh)) so I just ask before I make a bug
> report, just in case.
>         I'm on Windows 7 Pro, 64-bit, Inkscape 0.92, 64-bit.
>         Another issue, which is a little bit nit-picky, but still important,
> imo.  For some time, I couldn't figure out what object was being referred to
> in
> "Object's bounding box" and "Object's rotational center".  Is it the object I
> am
> drawing (such as a clock face)?   It can't mean the circle, because further
> below in the dialog, it says "circle" (and if it meant circle, it would have
> said 'Circle's rotational center').

- The objects that you're aligning along the circle.

>         But after a lot of clicking around and trial and error, it seems it
> refers to the numbers on the clock face example.  If that's the case, it
> should
> be "Objects' bounding box" and "Objects' rotational center".  If they had been
> properly written, I would have understood at once that the objects in question
> are the numbers (or whatever objects are being arranged around the circle).
>         Should I make a bug report about that?

- That makes sense, yes. That dialog isn't documented very well...

Regards,
Maren

> Thanks for your help  :-)
> brynn
>
>
>
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Re: issues with Arrange > Polar Coordinates

Maren Hachmann
Am 20.01.2017 um 19:13 schrieb brynn:

>>> all the numbers are placed at 3
>   > o'clock.
>
>> - This is how it works. Mathematically, the circle's start is at three
> o'clock. It's not a bug (do you still have that email where I explained
> it to you, translating the article linked below?).
> German speakers, see here:
> http://vektorrascheln.de/posts/2016/Jun/inkscape-entdecker-anordnen1.html
>
> No, I mean ALL the numbers are placed all on top of each other, at the 3 o'clock
> place.  I know that for making a clock, the circle needs to be rotated, so the
> numbers will be in the proper places.  So taking the rotation into
> consideration, I think they are all placed where 1 o'clock is supposed to be.
> But still, they aren't supposed to be all on top of each other, are they?

- Oh, I didn't get that, sorry, Brynn :-/
If your objects aren't grouped, and you can reproduce the issue
reliably, then yes, that sounds to me as if it's definitely worth a bug
report!

Maren

> As I said, if I drag the circle by any amount, before clicking Arrange, then the
> numbers are placed around the circle, as expected.
>
> Should I make bug reports for this, and the punctuation issue?
>
> Thanks,
> brynn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maren Hachmann
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 9:37 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] issues with Arrange > Polar Coordinates
>
> Hi Brynn,
>
> Am 20.01.2017 um 12:11 schrieb brynn:
>> Hi Friends,
>
>>         I was just answering a forum question about creating a clockface, and
>> I
>> used the Polar Coordinates dialog.  I found that if I draw a circle, then type
>> out the numbers, then choose Object's Rotational Center and First Circle (or
>> 2nd), then select all, then click Arrange, all the numbers are placed at 3
>> o'clock.
>
> - This is how it works. Mathematically, the circle's start is at three
> o'clock. It's not a bug (do you still have that email where I explained
> it to you, translating the article linked below?).
> German speakers, see here:
> http://vektorrascheln.de/posts/2016/Jun/inkscape-entdecker-anordnen1.html
>
>>         I found that if I move the circle before clicking arrange, it makes
>> the
>> feature function properly.  Should I make a bug report?  Or is this already a
>> known issue?  I searched LP without finding any similar report.  But often I
>> might not know the proper terminology (and recently I found the wiki was being
>> used for bug reports (for gradient mesh)) so I just ask before I make a bug
>> report, just in case.
>>         I'm on Windows 7 Pro, 64-bit, Inkscape 0.92, 64-bit.
>>         Another issue, which is a little bit nit-picky, but still important,
>> imo.  For some time, I couldn't figure out what object was being referred to
>> in
>> "Object's bounding box" and "Object's rotational center".  Is it the object I
>> am
>> drawing (such as a clock face)?   It can't mean the circle, because further
>> below in the dialog, it says "circle" (and if it meant circle, it would have
>> said 'Circle's rotational center').
>
> - The objects that you're aligning along the circle.
>
>>         But after a lot of clicking around and trial and error, it seems it
>> refers to the numbers on the clock face example.  If that's the case, it
>> should
>> be "Objects' bounding box" and "Objects' rotational center".  If they had been
>> properly written, I would have understood at once that the objects in question
>> are the numbers (or whatever objects are being arranged around the circle).
>>         Should I make a bug report about that?
>
> - That makes sense, yes. That dialog isn't documented very well...
>
> Regards,
> Maren
>
>> Thanks for your help  :-)
>> brynn
>>
>>
>>
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Re: issues with Arrange > Polar Coordinates

Brynn
AAarrgh!!  This was happening reproducably in a fresh, blank document, every
single time the other day.  Now it's not happening.  Oh well, I'll report if it
happens again.

For the punctuation issue:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1658397

Thanks again for your help,
brynn


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From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 8:19 PM
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Am 20.01.2017 um 19:13 schrieb brynn:

>>> all the numbers are placed at 3
>   > o'clock.
>
>> - This is how it works. Mathematically, the circle's start is at three
> o'clock. It's not a bug (do you still have that email where I explained
> it to you, translating the article linked below?).
> German speakers, see here:
> http://vektorrascheln.de/posts/2016/Jun/inkscape-entdecker-anordnen1.html
>
> No, I mean ALL the numbers are placed all on top of each other, at the 3
> o'clock
> place.  I know that for making a clock, the circle needs to be rotated, so the
> numbers will be in the proper places.  So taking the rotation into
> consideration, I think they are all placed where 1 o'clock is supposed to be.
> But still, they aren't supposed to be all on top of each other, are they?

- Oh, I didn't get that, sorry, Brynn :-/
If your objects aren't grouped, and you can reproduce the issue
reliably, then yes, that sounds to me as if it's definitely worth a bug
report!

Maren

> As I said, if I drag the circle by any amount, before clicking Arrange, then
> the
> numbers are placed around the circle, as expected.
>
> Should I make bug reports for this, and the punctuation issue?
>
> Thanks,
> brynn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maren Hachmann
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 9:37 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] issues with Arrange > Polar Coordinates
>
> Hi Brynn,
>
> Am 20.01.2017 um 12:11 schrieb brynn:
>> Hi Friends,
>
>>         I was just answering a forum question about creating a clockface, and
>> I
>> used the Polar Coordinates dialog.  I found that if I draw a circle, then
>> type
>> out the numbers, then choose Object's Rotational Center and First Circle (or
>> 2nd), then select all, then click Arrange, all the numbers are placed at 3
>> o'clock.
>
> - This is how it works. Mathematically, the circle's start is at three
> o'clock. It's not a bug (do you still have that email where I explained
> it to you, translating the article linked below?).
> German speakers, see here:
> http://vektorrascheln.de/posts/2016/Jun/inkscape-entdecker-anordnen1.html
>
>>         I found that if I move the circle before clicking arrange, it makes
>> the
>> feature function properly.  Should I make a bug report?  Or is this already a
>> known issue?  I searched LP without finding any similar report.  But often I
>> might not know the proper terminology (and recently I found the wiki was
>> being
>> used for bug reports (for gradient mesh)) so I just ask before I make a bug
>> report, just in case.
>>         I'm on Windows 7 Pro, 64-bit, Inkscape 0.92, 64-bit.
>>         Another issue, which is a little bit nit-picky, but still important,
>> imo.  For some time, I couldn't figure out what object was being referred to
>> in
>> "Object's bounding box" and "Object's rotational center".  Is it the object I
>> am
>> drawing (such as a clock face)?   It can't mean the circle, because further
>> below in the dialog, it says "circle" (and if it meant circle, it would have
>> said 'Circle's rotational center').
>
> - The objects that you're aligning along the circle.
>
>>         But after a lot of clicking around and trial and error, it seems it
>> refers to the numbers on the clock face example.  If that's the case, it
>> should
>> be "Objects' bounding box" and "Objects' rotational center".  If they had
>> been
>> properly written, I would have understood at once that the objects in
>> question
>> are the numbers (or whatever objects are being arranged around the circle).
>>         Should I make a bug report about that?
>
> - That makes sense, yes. That dialog isn't documented very well...
>
> Regards,
> Maren
>
>> Thanks for your help  :-)
>> brynn
>>
>>
>>
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